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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 26, 2011 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: the moral compass

I gave this band thousands of my dollars over many many years. This was money that was very hard to come by and represented a very high percentage of my net worth at the time. The GD cash generating enterprise has millions of dollars more than I will ever see in my lifetime and continues to print money. Is this justification enough for gathering up all of the best recordings of their music that one can get their hands on? Depends upon one's moral compass I suppose. If I were so inclined, and I'm not saying I am or I am not, I could be the proud new owner of Rockin the Rhine, Steppin' Out, The Cow Palace, Crimson White and Indigo and/or all of them in less than an hour. This will undoubtably be true of the Europe '72 box set, probably no more than a day after it is released.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 26, 2011 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

The federal government has way more money than Phil Lesh (well, actually they're in debt right now, but they've still got loads of revenue coming in). So maybe you should work harder to evade your taxes, and use some of the money you save to buy the new Europe 72 set.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 26, 2011 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

You can bet that the assholes, who are selling their $450 Europe 72 boxsets on Fleabay for $1500 aren't going to report their obscene windfall profits to the IRS for damned sure...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 27, 2011 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

that might be the case right now, but when the Gov't imposes an electronic ID for your access to the internet, there'll be no more side-stepping the taxman

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

and that's a bad thing? Gotta deal with that debt somehow, right?

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 26, 2011 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

So are you asking would I feel guilty? I have always supported the live releases but the way the E72 box is being handled I would not think twice about copying it. I would even put a patch over my eye and get a fake parrot for my shoulder and dance around. I don't see how anyone associated with this release could be suprised or worried about selling 3,000 copies.
700,000 fans on facebook
15.2 million post Jerry album sales(maybe more old article)
The Dead and Furthur ticket sales
Everyone wanting the Fillmore West Box Set
Why even put a # on the deluxe set if you didn't even start producing them and then they pull a # like 7,200 because of 72 and allow people to get 10 of them. It's like having a room full of starving people and when the food arrives say a bunch of happy meals some people get 10 of them and some none. Then the starving ones have to buy the happy meals off the other people for more money. But wait we have more cheeseburgers and you can buy these for the same price as the happy meal at least you wont go hungry. Eat up, you just don't get the nice prize. I would want my Rhino decoder ring at that point because It would help me try and figure out what they were thinking.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 27, 2011 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

HAHAHA well said.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Pirates AND decoder rings in the same post?

Well played, sir.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

"I would even put a patch over my eye and get a fake parrot for my shoulder and dance around"


right with ya on that one - lol

(to me it would be like borrowing a friend's copy and burning the discs - no biggee. not that i am saying i am gonna do it)

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2011-01-27 17:36:37

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

You have friends?
Friends who lend you things?

:-)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

you are nothing but a big meanie!!!

:)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 26, 2011 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

You know, you didn't "give" the band your money. It wasn't some kind of charitable donation. Most musicians do charge admission to see their shows or buy their albums. It's their work.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 27, 2011 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Dead on. I really don't understand this mentality some people have that the band somehow owes them something. You buy a ticket, you get into a show. You buy a CD, you get to keep it. Easy, breezy, simple.

I do feel a certain cynicism about the way the box was marketed (not a doubt in my mind they knew they would quickly sell out, thereby increasing the likelihood of a rush on the next box). But I wasn't going to buy it anyway- I'm more of a $25 Road trips guy than a $450 box set guy.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

I agree. There is some maneuvering involved, no doubt; it's a business.

On the other hand, I wonder if the Boys don't ever look at their fans and feel a little cynical, too, after giving so much so freely ...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Don't you think that is in part why Bob made that "see ya" comment back in 2005 when they pulled the sbds here? A little sick of the whining about lack of free access to everything as if it were some God-given right?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Yeah, that's how it sounded to me. I don't blame him. The Grateful Dead didn't *owe* us music.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

comments from TDIHs 1967 ~ from 2005 ~ to the present


Reviewer: cardgamermanguy - - December 7, 2005
Subject: lets talk about the show
Grateful Dead Rocks

Reviewer: KyleStanley - - December 4, 2005
Subject: how's the show?
boy, i sure wish i had a review of the show,
and not all of this stupid petty bitching!

Reviewer: Antonjo - - December 1, 2005
Subject: man, you guys are amazing
I really can't believe what I'm reading. I love it when someone says Bobby is licking a dead man's ball sweat and then has the audacity to say "no offense." I love it that somehow touring with the Dead, going to live shows and getting your money's worth in live music, life experience, & lifetime memories somehow also entitles you to free downloads from the band. Is that why you toured all those years? Were you expecting a pension from the Dead? Jerry gave his fucking life to keep touring, and you're whining about what they band isn't giving you.

You're comparing Derek Trucks, or even Little Feat, to the Dead?? Try getting a free download from the Rolling Stones, or even ONE SINGLE vault release from Pink Floyd.

Show some fucking RESPECT and a little GRATITUDE for the incredible amount of music the Dead gave us live and continues to give us in an ongoing treasure of official releases, much less many months of this archive, you spoiled dickheads.

Who said the Dead owed you a FUCKING THING???

Reviewer: deadasreligon - - November 30, 2005
Subject: FUCK THE DEAD!
Fuckin money grubbing assholes! Mickey Hart and Bobby suck the sweat off a dead mans balls. No wonder Jerry went when he did, he was surrounded by perverted and greedy personalities. Hey Bobby guess whose not gonna be able to pick their next fuck friend out of the audience prick!


No offense to the archive. SOrry but I'm pissed.

After all what is left when the authors start taking back the books that make the library?

Reviewer: yippierb - - November 30, 2005
Subject: The Great Betrayal Continues
Ya'll know how I feel about shows not being available on the archive. I have always believed it's a travesty when they take off the commercial releases, and have berated the band for it. THIS IS ABSOLUTLY SHAMEFUL AND INSULTING. I am so stunned and hurt. I'm beyond my normal f-bomb spouting,Hippie,Irish bluster. For 35 years I have supported this band and they slap us in the face like this. SHAME ON THE GRATEFUL DEAD. This policy must be reversed or it will be the end of the Grateful Dead. Everyone get together on this and don't let up. There is no way to convey the beautiful legacy of the band with what they have (now) left us with. I just can't understand this decision. even on capitalist grounds. They must know that the archive has only the most minute effect on CD sales. I'm pissed and I'm sad.

Reviewer: Gozno_diaries - - November 29, 2005
Subject: Not a dollar from me untill the shows are back up!
sign the petition, people!
http://www.petitiononline.com/gdm/

Mbennett216@yahoo.com

please e-mail me for all the info you have on pulling the shows. Are Mickey, Phil, Bobby, and Bill for it? Are they against it? I know everything about the pulling of the shows, exept the bands views. Please e-mail me if you know anything about the boys opinions.

Reviewer: LBSunshine - - November 28, 2005
Subject: This isn't what the Grateful Dead is about....
Originally it was about Family, It still should be. The Grateful Dead was one of the first to allow tapers, The first to allow their music to be reborn in every show by breathing new life into each through artistic transformations. By taking away wide access to their shows we are losing the identity of the musicians that can only be found live. No one can ever understand their music through their albums. This wouldn't have been allowed if Jerry Bear was still around. Who ever made this decision should figure out where their loyalties are. To the faithful follower, the heads or to the Royalties.

Love, Light, Happiness,
LB Sunshine

Reviewer: LBSunshine - - November 28, 2005
Subject: This isn't what the Grateful Dead is about....
Originally it was about Family, It still should be. The Grateful Dead was one of the first to allow tapers, The first to allow their music to be reborn in every show by breathing new life into each through artistic transformations. By taking away wide access to their shows we are losing the identity of the musicians that can only be found live. No one can ever understand their music through their albums. This wouldn't have been allowed if Jerry Bear was still around. Who ever made this decision should figure out where their loyalties are. To the faithful follower, the heads or to the Royalties.

Love, Light, Happiness,
LB Sunshine

Reviewer: Dylanstubs - - November 28, 2005
Subject: Since this seems to be the place . . .
. . . to give one's 2 cents worth:

It's been very nice having shows up on archive.org since March 2004. Now the rules have changed. It's unfortunate, but life goes on. The GD was never intended to be a charity, and we were never entitled to anything for free.

Reviewer: deadhead12345 - - November 26, 2005
Subject: ????????????????????????
What the hell is going on?! Why was everything deleted?

Reviewer: familiarfan - - November 25, 2005
Subject: To whom it concerns
I find it ironic that firstly, you dropped large amounts of music, second, you call yourselves music fans(I'm sure), but more so than that, what you've left dosen't paint the correct picture of Jerry Garcia, who for all intents and purposes ,was probably the finest blues guitarist of all time and that's best reflected in the years' of 65-67. You've whitewashed two complete years and left two shows from 67 that do an injustice.
But, like everything in life , this is another example of greed.
Furthermore, the remaining band members indeed do need financial assistance due to their talents faultering and whatever bad habits.

Reviewer: Keldrean - - November 24, 2005
Subject: hell yeah
im fucking angry also , you can't even download the ones they have now, but no monterey (67) or even WOODSTOCK which was a beautifual preformance, im sad and i hope they fucking shape up... i like new potato caboose in this run

Reviewer: Jeffrey-O - - November 23, 2005
Subject: They missed 11-1-79 & 5-15-70!!!
Get them while you still can!

Plus 6-8-74. Still has 2nd set sbd....

Reviewer: BornCrossEyed42 - - November 23, 2005
Subject: assholes
FUCK THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT
WHOEVER THE FUCK DECIDED TO TAKE EVERYTHING OFF OF ARCHIVE ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES
FUCK YOU.

Reviewer: BornCrossEyed42 - - November 23, 2005
Subject: assholes
FUCK THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT
WHOEVER THE FUCK DECIDED TO TAKE EVERYTHING OFF OF ARCHIVE ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES
FUCK YOU.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Nothing says I can not write and I may be slightly insane like CAP LOCK. And lots of f bombs.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:08am
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agreed. But you werent around for the "Thanksgiving SBD PULL of '05" , were you?
Im sure you would have expressed yourself more eloquently,
but the feeling would have been the same.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:13am
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I've read threads of the Thanksgiving Day Massacre. People were mighty pissed. Some simply wrote a mantra of CAP LOCK F U's.

c, I was referring in my own head to more recent manifestations.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:31am
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gotcha. I was only trying to make some sort of full circle:
Something that the GD did 19freekin67 on this date, that got pulled in 2005, that people are making a fuss about, on a different level here TODAY. I think its comical is all.

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Poster: Granola Pilgrim Date: Jan 27, 2011 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

The way I see it, if you have to ask yourself if what you're doing is morally correct, it probably isn't.
But that's just what I strive for. In reality, I blow chunks all the time in the morality department.


“The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life” - Albert Einstein

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 27, 2011 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

I didn't realize that CHOOSING to spend your money IN RETURN for CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc, constituted "giving" the band your money. And if it was a large percentage of your income, who's fault is that? Jerry's? Phil's?

I think there's a valid discussion to be had about how this box set was marketed (seems to have been a bit of bait-and-switch at play here IMO). What ISN'T valid is the idea that having previously spent a lot of money on Grateful Dead product entitles one to whatever shows they may choose free for the rest of their life.


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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 27, 2011 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

I think the whole thing was manipulated. I'm re-posting the below from a thread where it went unseen, because I don;t have time to re-write more coherently. but you'll get the drift.

This whole thing is kind of fishy. I have a "wristband" e-mail reservation to buy a copy, but I have not placed that order yet. How many of me did they count as buyers before they declared that the set was sold out?

On a more paranoid track, could they have intentionally intensified the demand by making it impossible to order, then handing out a bunch of wristbands and declaring it sold out - making those of us who have a wristband but who might have been on the fence about handing over $500, immediately say "holy shit, I have a reservation - I'd BETTER buy a copy!"

I don't know about y'all, but I'm feeling really manipulated here

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

It's a commercial enterprise and therefore it's their job to find ways to manipulate you and so intensify demand in order to maximise their profits. This is a fundamental part of how businesses operate. Really, what's the problem?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:24am
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Well, I know that we live in morally ambiguous times, but I can still tell the difference between marketing and lying.

If - and that's a big if - false statements were made along the lines of "we can't take orders right now because our system is screwed up," and "the set has sold out" - even though clearly any number of reservations had not been consummated - then that's not just marketing, it's outright lying, and yes I believe that is a problem.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:33am
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Is there actual proof that the system was never really screwed up? I tend to think that fuck up is almost always a much more likely explanation than conspiracy.

I grant that there's a difference between declaring an intention to buy and actually depositing the funds in Rhino's account but there's no lie involved in declaring the run 'sold out' if they've made their target order number. Fairly standard practice again I'd say, and no problem.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 27, 2011 12:06pm
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"If - and that's a big if - "

composition A-/B+;
comprehension D

Yes, I just graded your post.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 1:06pm
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You're not qualified.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:21am
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>I tend to think that fuck up is almost always a much more likely explanation than conspiracy.

I think this is a law of nature.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:34am
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RLO beat me to it!

Yup, the folks, and there are far too many, IMHO, always looking for conspiracies, etc., simply don't account for the fundamental "dumbass quotient" attributable to the vast majority of the human race. I know there are "bad people", and some of them may even wish to do me harm, indirectly, but in general, most things (trivial, day-to-day shit that is) that happen are on account of stupidity, or benign errors, or glitches than some masterplan by various individuals available to "blame".

I see the role I've played time after time, causing some small harm without intending to, blah, blah, blah, and it leaves my absurdly Polly Anna-ish Outlook largely intact.

Of course, that could just be cause so much crap has happened it's easier to shrug and move on than to assign blame, keep score, and fuel the tiny little fires that this amounts to...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:38am
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For the record, I am not one that goes around looking for conspiracies, nor am I married to this theory.

It didn't cross my mind until the combined one-two punch of receiving the "here's your link to order your reserved copy" e-mail followed immediately by reading "it's sold out!" That just left a bad taste in my mouth. I can see them counting the preorders as sales, but the way this played out simply reminded me too much of rule #1 of the short con: urgency! urgency! urgency! "Act now or you miss out~!" Don't give the mark time to think about it ...

I think they did give us something like two weeks to reply to that link, but I bet most of us didn't need that long. I already ordered my copy, and I will be first in line for the Fall 1973 tour box.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:44am
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I agree with pretty much everything you say but I'd extend it from the trivial day-to-day shit into the great big world-changing shit as well. Most (all?) of the non-natural disasters that have befallen the benighted human race have come about as a result of the mites and the mighty being tripped up by hubris.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:57am
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You got that right--after reading the word "shit" so many times in our two posts I am reminded that one implication of the Freudian Paradigm may hold true: if we all relaxed, and were afforded one cleansing morning "event" (in the name of Forum Decorum, I refrain from using the aforementioned term), ie, "the day-to-day aspect", perhaps the larger, "world changing events" (ahem) would occur less frequently.

And be considerably less painful, I daresay.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:18am
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A smooth and easy production is definitely to be preferred over sudden explosions or effortful straining to no good effect.


Maybe life is shit after all.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:48am
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I believe that Rhino/GDP honestly underestimated the demand for this product at its high price. The Fillmore West 10 disc box took almost an entire month to sell out at 10,000 units. I believe most official releases only sell about 20,000 units max...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 27, 2011 12:10pm
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That begins to make some sense. I didn't know that the 1969 box sold so slowly.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:39am
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ah the joy of the new and improved Capitalistic Grateful Dead.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:46am
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At what point in their career do you think they turned to each other and said 'Fuck, man, we could make some money doing this'? Because it's a damned certainty that at some point they did.

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:48am
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Rock Scully's recent comment is illuminating:

Q. Was there a favorite aspect to managing the Grateful Dead?

A. I'd say establishing their publishing. In the old days, songs were three minutes long and artists got paid by number of tracks, not length of songs. We were first to record longer songs and got screwed on deals only paying for six to seven songs, instead of 12-14. So I spoke to [Monterey] Jazz Festival musicians, who told me they got paid per minute. I then renegotiated, making a state-of-the-art deal everyone copied.

"Quadlibet for Tender Feet" anyone? Ice-Nine indeed (RIP Kurt and Jerry)
http://www.carmelmagazine.com/digital/index.shtml

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:31am
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It's fairly illuminating also that Scully and Kantner now embrace and are embraced by a magazine like Carmel.

One generation got old
One generation got sold...

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 27, 2011 3:24pm
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...you think it's funny turning rebellion into money?


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 27, 2011 3:54pm
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The poster said we earn more than you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:39am
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I think in many ways this is "key" to the mythology we've discussed (and in some respect have returned to in this thread) so often.

I have outlined so many times that I grabbed onto their myth (again, intended or accidental--biz model or artefact) right off; it's what motivated me to preach about "my band", and their moral superiority over all others, and gloat when I could show my friends and former friends (the ones that stopped coming round to hear me drone on about the DEAD...AGAIN!) "look! I got these cool little 45 sized records--demos!--from 'my' band cause they are trying to do it 'right' by starting THEIR own record company so 'we' don't get ripped off, and quality is sky-high and because the really do CARE bout me, and NOT profits!"

So, maybe it was sometime after Mickey's dad, after the failed record co attempt, sometime in the 70s?

Dunno--but good question.

And a great big Good Afternoon! to you, kind sir.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:49am
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apparently not early on enough :)

(i mean, Bob's kids might evev have to attend a community college)

i could care less what they do. but I am beginning to wish i bought a box set or two so i could resell it on my ebay account. the little goodies inside mean absolutely nothing to me

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:16am
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Problem? No problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPVMYDrbrCo

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:47am
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Completely agree. The music archived here is the property of the Gratful Dead. I see no reason why the soundboard recordings from the Europe '72 tour that are archived here should not be pulled. Or any other soundboards of comercially released performances. We have all had plenty of time to aquire them.

Don't want to pony up $450 for the '72 box? Just don't order it. Still want to get your hands on the shows? Learn to torrent or make friends with someone who does.

The only problem I see was the bands failure to prevent greedy opportunists from aquiring multiple units of this release, while some folks who really wanted it got shut out. Pretty short sighted considering the band went to great lengths in order to foil ticket scalpers...

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2011-01-27 19:47:28

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:45am
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Right on. The Grateful Dead used to market their own products. The scandal surrounding the Fillmore West 69 boxset would not likely be repeated after the deluge of complaints about the thieves on EBAY. Rhino records just doesn't give a shit about ethics. So fuck them...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 27, 2011 1:19pm
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"We have all had plenty of time to aquire them."

Amen. This is friggin' 2011; these shows have been circulating forever. Anyone really into this band and the early 70s should already have most or all of them (and upgrades, and upgrades to our upgrades).

"The only problem I see was the bands failure to prevent greedy opportunists from acquiring multiple units of this release, while some folks who really wanted it got shut out."

Despite your observation about the Fillmore set taking a month to sell out, I honestly can't imagine they didn't anticipate the rapid response to this set. Unlike the Fillmore box, which was basically your standard box set on steroids, this really was a unique, unprecedented type of release. The only thing I can imagine being any bigger would be the discovery of a heretofore unknown stash of mutlitracks from the second half of 1970.

But this is just my opinion- by no means am I griping. I don't have a horse in this race, because I never considered buying it for a second. I am quite content with what I already have from E'72.

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 27, 2011 10:12am
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In 100% agreement with Cliff on this. I posted early on that I was really surprised you could order up to 10 copies. Made no sense - unless looking to resell.

So who wants to buy my place in line to be one of the first 3000? Bidding begins at $500 and continues until February 4th - JUST JOKING!

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 27, 2011 11:37am
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I agree Cliff.
The thing of it is...
I don't believe the band has any control over it.
They sold their rights to Rhino. If I understand correctly, Rhino has all decision making control of the entire vault for the next 10 years. (- however many years it has ben since the contract was signed.)

This marketing decision was made entirely by Rhino.

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Poster: advokat Date: Jan 27, 2011 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

I'm one of those with a reservation in the first 3000 and I'm very on the fence about whether I'll do it or not. If I was as evil as I'm often deemed to be, I'd go auction off my code on some other forum. It sure would be nice to see what all the bells and whistles are before laying out the cash since I have most of the shows and my ears are pretty well shot.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 26, 2011 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Am I the only one that MADE some money off the band due to having the best "closed" open market system following them from town to town? Sure I turned the bulk of that money back into the next show/meal/room/shower/party favors, etc. but I hope the statute of limitations on the copyright infringement and other issues have faded into the rear view mirror...

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 29, 2011 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass card is spinning...

“With nothing to believe in the compass always points to Terrapin”

I also did alright vending at shows - the entire enterprise was undertaken for the sole purpose of continuing on the road. While hopefully at the end of tour I would have enough surplus to buy more blank tees or at least get home and find a temporary job until the next shows, I didn’t come away from any tour with great wads of cash. I did feel very rich from the experience of hearing my favorite band and all I encountered and overcame in doing so.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2011 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass card is spinning...on my head

It's funny that I realize a big difference in the latter era folks was the "scene" (we've covered it plenty--how it was not around when I was going), and thus, I never could have made $$ with/due to the DEAD, and as I've droned on about so often, by far and away, I spent so much energy talking people into to going, working on converting them, etc., etc., that I sometimes feel they DEFN owe me something. Maybe just a Forum Chiffafrobe, but something.

If you ask any person that knows me, that has known me well for 30+ yrs, and asked them to describe me, they wouldn't get far without mentioning the DEAD.

So, I don't feel in the end that it was much diff than an odd looking little partnership. But, yeah--I would still feel guilty about doing something someone didn't want me to do; don't we all? Esp ones that I naively (and still sometimes do) felt were different, not in it for the money, etc., etc. (how much will Phil actually get per 60 disks? I assume very little).

EDIT: the other thing they'd mention is "Crap--Tell can't spell to save his life!"

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 26, 2011 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

Forgive me for asking, but what is your point? I am not trying to be a jerk, i just don't really understand what you are saying? That because you spent so much money on GD in the past that it is okay to download unauthorized copies of commercial releases from blogs? It feels like you are trying to rationalize an action that deep down you think is wrong. The Grateful Dead have every right to try to profit from their property so I don't think what they have or have not made should factor into your decision. Is it less wrong to steal from a rich person than a poor? Its still the same crime.

I apologize in advance if i misinterpreted your meaning and i am by no means passing judgement. Good luck with that compass. I hope it leads you in the direction that is right for you.

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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 26, 2011 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

All of the SBDs of the E72 tour are going to be pulled, just like the rest of the shows that GD Productions decided to released. I think that's a little lame. People worked hard on transferring the material, re-mastering, creating a matrix, documenting their work etc. But, it's not that hard to get the music if you are so inclined. The same will be true of the box set when it is released.

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Poster: face of space Date: Jan 27, 2011 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the moral compass

You can still trade the raw shows on a personal basis, which is still very nice!